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'''Sidteh vs Sidtan''' [whatsapp chat KELABIT BIBLE TRANSLATION]
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: [18/08/2018, 21:58:52] Lolly Raja @S'RajaDita: Kapeh dueh inih: sidteh / sidtan?
: [19/08/2018, 00:44:53] Lolly Raja @S'RajaDita: I mean what’s the difference?
: [19/08/2018, 01:23:41] Sinamu Dora Bulan: Sidteh - left behind
: Sidtan - to prop against smthg / lean
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: That is if we go by earlier explanation of the word Nedteh & Nedtan.
:: [19/08/2018, 05:25:08] Poline Bala: 👍👍👍
:: [19/08/2018, 08:56:23] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Could be:
:: Sidteh = left behind to keep
:: Sidtan = left behind
:: Or same meaning spoken by different groups
:: [19/08/2018, 10:01:13] Lolly Raja @S'RajaDita: This explanation does not work for why we say ketedtan, and not ketedteh like when someone ketedtan bilun. 
:: So the explanation that it is a regional variation makes more sense to me.
::: [19/08/2018, 10:28:56] Sinamu Dora Bulan: Tu'uh tineh mato', will clarify with the elders at next CCC. 🙂

: [19/08/2018, 01:33:59] Sinamu Dora Bulan: Sidtan - past tense of Nadtan? 
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: Na'it detaluh nuk sifu matur beruh. 😊
: [19/08/2018, 01:37:44] Yahya Talla: They are the same. Sidtan is Pa Kelapang words and Sidtah, original Pa Main/ Bario word.
: [19/08/2018, 01:51:59] ‪+60 19‑226 1862‬: Bario say
: Sidteh -left behind 
: Sidtan - assignment / 😀appointment 
:   (Sidtan deh lun ngimet bawang, in the case of kk)
: [19/08/2018, 02:05:14] Roland Terawe: seh neh dtan
: seh neh dteh
: Saya rasa ini Kelabit pasar punya.
: [19/08/2018, 05:08:45] Winnie Bulan: What is the root word for:-
: 1. sidteh?
: 2. Sidtan?
: [19/08/2018, 05:10:18] Winnie Bulan: Is sidtan from edtan?
: Is sidteh from nedteh?
: [19/08/2018, 05:10:56] Winnie Bulan: OR
: 
: Sidtan from nedtan?
: [19/08/2018, 08:46:26] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Muned ineh!
: [19/08/2018, 10:42:29] Gia Bohler: ..sidtdha, sidtdhan -same word in different grammatical forms, meaning left(leave, left, left -not left right left?)
Did, done(contrast example).
: 
: sidtdha, sidtdhan, along that grammatical line? 
: 
: Sidtdha kamih dah laba man kaya' dah nalan!
: Sidtdhan dah ngipah tabi' lun teluh lemuh nih naa'ah?
: 
: I leave the grammatical fitting per the english grammatical grooves to you guys to wrangle with..? 😂
: [19/08/2018, 10:53:21] Gia Bohler: Same thing, nah ketedhan ngipah tabe' lun teluh lemuh nih naa'ah?
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: Oo, nah ketedhan ngi tukad irang liang batuh lawih?
: [19/08/2018, 10:57:37] Gia Bohler: Ngudah nah meteluh daa'at tuu'uh naa'am suud ngan babah deteluh, nedtdha deteluh kinah2?
: Naa'am doo' narih nedtdha lun lemuh kinah2 men kan lun merar tauh malim?
: [19/08/2018, 11:00:34] Gia Bohler: ..nedtdhah
: [19/08/2018, 11:46:03] Mutang Paturan: Majority in a sense that we are getting feedback n what others know (not what they feel, think) and certainly not guessing. Paad ineh betoq kanid.Kadiq inan itun n mutuh linuh tauh lem tudaq2 pak karuh teh narih mala si'it. Mayaq ineh nangey. PEACE.
: [19/08/2018, 12:48:38] Gerawat Nulun: My understanding is SIDTEH & SIDTAN are two different versions of the same message. As for "to prop against snthg/lean", it should be : PINDEDTAN =LEANED AGAINST STH.
: [19/08/2018, 12:55:23] Gerawat Nulun: Root/basic word is TEDTEH (Noun). Verb=nedteh; Adjective=tedteh; Past Tense=sudteh & sidtan
school🤣👍😂😂👏👏🙏
: [19/08/2018, 13:01:16] Gerawat Nulun: LUNUWAN & LENUWAN are two different words with different meanings: Lunuwan=parent(s); Lenuwan (Lenuwen)=for further consideration or food for thought.
: [19/08/2018, 13:02:40] Yahya Talla: Kelabit vocabulary is quiet limited and hence we have many HOMOGRAPHS. They are words that are spelled & sounds the same but have different meanings. This is as in the case of our word / term “ Lunuan” which has 3 different meanings:
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: 1. *Ownership & Parents*
: 
: 2. *Parents/ Ancestor:*
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: 3. *Feelings*: Scary, eerie, spooky feelings ( as in *daat lenuan narih laba tanam sinah*). Food: unpleasant, distasteful, undesirable  ( as in *daat lenuan* kuke )
: [19/08/2018, 13:07:52] Mutang Paturan: Da'at (da'et) LENUEN.
: [19/08/2018, 13:08:37] Yahya Talla: 1. “Ownership &  Parents”   ❌ but “ *1. Ownership* ”✔
: [19/08/2018, 13:10:28] Yahya Talla: Muyuh sinah uih nuk pronounce it as _dait linuin_🤣🤣🤣
: [19/08/2018, 13:12:46] Dato Robert Lian: 👍Kapam👏 mulaq metoq nuq binala meteluh lem ayuq ilung karuh tauh keleh. Ken adeh metoq nuk sidteh meteluh tu’en lun PaKubaan kedideh na’ur. Inan ayuq teh karuh nuq pedidti temidteh dih. 
: Dadan ketuey meteluh ngen epaq karuh sinih, dooq meneh meteluh na’am laq ketedtan ngen tari meteluh salin buku ago meteluh neh.
🙏👍😂😂😂👏👏👏
: [19/08/2018, 13:13:28] Mutang Paturan: Pak Tik/Kubaan literally pronounc DA'AT as da'at ( 2nd syllable sounds like 'Art'.😃😝
: [19/08/2018, 13:18:24] Yahya Talla: From these exchanges we should now except that homographs/ homonyms are inevitable and should be acknowledged/ accepted in our translation process. It avoids lengthy arguments on the meanings and spellings. To me is was a learning experience and value adding.
: [19/08/2018, 18:22:56] Dato Robert Lian: 🙏👍👍😂😂👏👏👏
: [20/08/2018, 00:48:52] Tingang Trang: Good morning. Some thought triggers:
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: Nedteh
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: First person, direct statement, imperative, instruction - Nedteh tupu ieh.
: Nedteh luun barat daan neh lapung pisit neh.
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: Tedtan
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: First person, to express intention as in
: Tu’en kuh nedteh ngih luun barat daan neh lapung pisit nih.
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: Tedtan kuh luun barat daan lapung pisit nih na’en. 
: Tedtan kuh ngen suk langu’ kudih lun dueh adi kema’ kediweh mey ngih la’ud.
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: Expressing disapproval
: Tedtan muh kenun nieh neh kemuh. Ken keli’ kedieh dalan dih?
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: Sidtan
: First person speaking referring to a past action, neutral tone
: Pulu’ kamih anak la’el sidtan Sina’ me merin da’un redtak...
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: Sidteh
: First person, statement meaning left behind or over taken
: Sidteh kuh ngih reked Buduk Ubung diweh dih.
:: [20/08/2018, 00:50:43] Sinabu Lucy Bulan: 👍👍👏👏
:: [20/08/2018, 01:01:15] Sinamu Dora Bulan: 👍👍 doo li'o sinih. Thank you
:: [20/08/2018, 04:33:18] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: 👍👏👏 kadi temen narih guru bahasa keh! 👍👍
::: [20/08/2018, 04:35:49] Tingang Trang: Ian, guru’ peregae’ nekakap teh tauh.
:: [20/08/2018, 04:43:22] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: At this critical time we really need help from ppl like you all!
: [20/08/2018, 01:02:05] Dato Robert Lian: Lun kelapang duluan usually say tesan, nesan, nesah, sisan but today many speak Bario melting pot style as they meet and mix in school🤣👍😂😂👏👏🙏