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:Authority and power.
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[01/07/2018, 03:17:00] Esther Bala: How about use lalud for power?  
:HBKENG en exaousia kai dunamei 'with authority and power'. Authority refers to what cannot be contradicted and Power refers to what cannot be resisted.
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I am not sure the word for authority. But the older generation always say kuasa lalud Tuhan. “Merey kuasa mey lalud mudi ngen kamih.
:These 2 words are major term too.
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Kapeh word bisa’?
:I see Luke's translator did authority=lalud and power=kail.
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[01/07/2018, 12:09:00] Dr. Son Radu: ‎<attached: 00008887-PHOTO-2018-07-01-12-09-00.jpg>
:We also have kail=strong. [Esther Bala 30-6-18 20:40 CET]
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[01/07/2018, 12:54:30] Dennis Meddan Long: Mantap DrSonAranTuan. Lam igu sinih keduih kerab nier translation of 1 & 2 Peter. Atlast got access to my computer.
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[01/07/2018, 13:02:34] Dr. Son Radu: PTL
 
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[01/07/2018, 13:17:42] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Yes, we have to differentiate between the two.
:How about use lalud for power? I am not sure the word for authority. But the older generation always say kuasa lalud tuhan. "Merey kuasa mey lalud mudi ngen kamih."
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[01/07/2018, 13:22:19] Dr. Son Radu: So far...lalud is used for authority in our translated text...
:Kapeh word bisa'? [Esther Bala 1-7-18 03:17 CET]
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[01/07/2018, 14:41:19] Doris Nawan: Hmmm ... I thought lalud has elements of miraculous?  Kuasa can hv 2 dimensions, one without miraculous (a synonym with lalud) and another -  bestowed/delegated/given authority with no miraculous elements .
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[01/07/2018, 14:57:07] ‪+60 19‑226 1862‬: Kuasa....authority
 
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Lalud..miracle/miraculous
: So far...lalud is used for authority in our translated text... [Son Radu 1-7-18 13:22 CET]
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Kail...strong
 
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[01/07/2018, 16:37:10] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: 👌👍
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[01/07/2018, 16:45:14] Winnie Bulan: Lalud = powerful
: Hmmm ... I thought lalud has elements of miraculous?  Kuasa can hv 2 dimensions, one without miraculous (a synonym with lalud) and another -  bestowed/delegated/given authority with no miraculous elements. [Doris Lian 1-7-18 14:41 CET]
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[01/07/2018, 16:51:52] Muring Apu: Tu’eh...strong?
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[01/07/2018, 17:00:50] Esther Bala: I like this too
 
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[01/07/2018, 17:02:29] Muring Apu: Doo’ tu’eh neh
:What shall we use to differentiate Power & Authority? [Dora Bulan 7-7-18 06:03 CET]
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Doo kail neh
:- [[Kuasa]]
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How’s that?
:- [[Lalud]]
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[01/07/2018, 17:24:43] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Just like: he’s strong, he’s powerful. Same meaning
:- [[Bisaq|Bisa']]
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[01/07/2018, 17:35:20] Muring Apu: Tq & blessings. 😄
 
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[02/07/2018, 02:14:54] Sinabu Lucy Bulan: Because of our lack of Kelabit vocab  it is possible to use lalud for both authority and miracle.
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[02/07/2018, 02:24:47] Tingang Trang: This herb concoction/medication is powerful/strong /effective
:Kuasa. [Roland Terawe 7-7-18 06:05 CET]
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Galih tabat sinih?
:Lalud sounds supernatural. [Roland Terawe 7-7-18 06:06 CET]
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[02/07/2018, 03:18:48] Sinabu Lucy Bulan: 👍👍 Good one.
:Bisa' sounds flattering [Roland Terawe 7-7-18 06:07 CET]
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[02/07/2018, 03:22:49] Tingang Trang: Bisa’ karuh Tuhan.
:Should be Kuasa.
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Bisa’ sebayang/putuh iyeh neh.
:Lun ngimet kuasa.
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[02/07/2018, 04:47:32] ‪+60 19‑486 3880‬: Peru'an berumidang ngen tauh. Edteh men karuh suk .. tanu' ... ken na'em tidih mukjizat/miracle
:Lun inan kuasa. [Roland Terawe 7-7-18 06:08 CET]
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‎[02/07/2018, 05:19:02] Esther Bala: ‎<attached: 00008906-PHOTO-2018-07-02-05-19-02.jpg>
 
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[02/07/2018, 05:19:02] Esther Bala: ‎<attached: 00008907-PHOTO-2018-07-02-05-19-02.jpg>
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[02/07/2018, 11:35:32] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: To enrich our lingo, we can use two different words: bisa’ is good (a modern word commonly used).
 
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[02/07/2018, 11:37:50] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Tanu’ used by old folks for curse. The curse of God: tanu’ Tuhan - Kelabit Merriit leh.
:My take on LUK 20:20 is to use "imet dih kuasa". Lalud is more towards miraculous which the governor being a man does not possess. [Mutang Maran 7-7-18 10:17 CET]
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[02/07/2018, 11:40:17] Mutang Paturan: Not needsarily curse..tanu' is tanda/signs of things that happens/will happen.
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[02/07/2018, 11:40:31] Mutang Paturan: *necessarily*
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[02/07/2018, 11:45:48] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Yes, agree! Common use of the vocabulary is sign (good or bad)
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[02/07/2018, 11:45:57] Tingang Trang: Tanu’ means a sign from God in different forms, usually an expression of righteous anger? It has have a positive connotation, depending on contexts?
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[02/07/2018, 11:47:00] Mutang Paturan: 👍🏻👏🏻
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[02/07/2018, 11:47:12] Mutang Paturan: 👍🏻👏🏻
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[02/07/2018, 12:50:10] Dato Robert Lian: Kapam Kinanids, Tanu’ adteh karuh/buriq nuk pelaba mebpat pedengeren narih keh. Kuh kuan kinanid EJU neh, kineh teh ilung dih lem karuh tauh lun pedayeh ngilad. Adteh etu Tuhan laq madaq tauh(ukum keh).  
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Seh subang linuh🙏🙏👍👍😂😂👏👏🙏🙏
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[02/07/2018, 13:21:35] Winnie Bulan: Tada' ....teh ken karuh anak kadi' nuk mudtih kinih terun
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[02/07/2018, 13:22:22] Winnie Bulan: The word made simole?
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[02/07/2018, 13:22:37] Winnie Bulan: Simole=simple
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[02/07/2018, 16:25:45] Lolly Raja @S'RajaDita: Signs and wonder = tanu’ mey lalud?
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[02/07/2018, 16:31:39] Roland Terawe: tanu' mey nuk inan mawa.
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[02/07/2018, 16:56:54] Muring Apu: Etu nuk inan mawa
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[02/07/2018, 17:07:52] Roland Terawe: tanu' mey nuk midih inan mawa.
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[02/07/2018, 17:09:12] Roland Terawe: tanu' mey nuk midih baliew inan mawa.
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[03/07/2018, 03:35:10] Gerawat Nulun: lf we say we want to preserve the Kelabit language for our younger generations (anak kadi'), why do we have to quote "ken karuh anak kadi' (adi') nuk mudtih kinih"? Please be more confident in your input/out. l do not mean to be rude; but do forgive me if the way l express my stand on our task of preserving our Kelabit language.
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[03/07/2018, 03:35:18] Gerawat Nulun: Gd mng all. My take on TANO' (l never heard it pronounced as TANU) is that it os a sign from God; and may even be a miracle! l present this position because it is a word we Kelabits came to know after the advent of Christianity into our community. Kelabots started using it as a new addition to our vocabulary, in the same way we adopted words like BUKUH, PEN, SKULEH, etc. lt is highly likely that it is originally a Lun Bawang word.
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[03/07/2018, 03:35:59] Gerawat Nulun: if the way l express my stand on our task of preserving our Kelabit language sounds crude.
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[03/07/2018, 03:38:32] Mutang Paturan: Sukung...get as close as possible to the Kelabit words/vocab unless we hust can't find any. We have already agreed on that before.
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[03/07/2018, 03:40:57] Mutang Paturan: I think it's tanu' as used heard by Pa Mada accent bro.

Revision as of 12:33, 20 August 2018

[01/07/2018, 03:17:00] Esther Bala: How about use lalud for power? I am not sure the word for authority. But the older generation always say kuasa lalud Tuhan. “Merey kuasa mey lalud mudi ngen kamih.” Kapeh word bisa’? ‎[01/07/2018, 12:09:00] Dr. Son Radu: ‎<attached: 00008887-PHOTO-2018-07-01-12-09-00.jpg> [01/07/2018, 12:54:30] Dennis Meddan Long: Mantap DrSonAranTuan. Lam igu sinih keduih kerab nier translation of 1 & 2 Peter. Atlast got access to my computer. [01/07/2018, 13:02:34] Dr. Son Radu: PTL [01/07/2018, 13:17:42] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Yes, we have to differentiate between the two. [01/07/2018, 13:22:19] Dr. Son Radu: So far...lalud is used for authority in our translated text... [01/07/2018, 14:41:19] Doris Nawan: Hmmm ... I thought lalud has elements of miraculous? Kuasa can hv 2 dimensions, one without miraculous (a synonym with lalud) and another - bestowed/delegated/given authority with no miraculous elements . [01/07/2018, 14:57:07] ‪+60 19‑226 1862‬: Kuasa....authority Lalud..miracle/miraculous Kail...strong [01/07/2018, 16:37:10] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: 👌👍 [01/07/2018, 16:45:14] Winnie Bulan: Lalud = powerful [01/07/2018, 16:51:52] Muring Apu: Tu’eh...strong? [01/07/2018, 17:00:50] Esther Bala: I like this too [01/07/2018, 17:02:29] Muring Apu: Doo’ tu’eh neh Doo kail neh How’s that? [01/07/2018, 17:24:43] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Just like: he’s strong, he’s powerful. Same meaning [01/07/2018, 17:35:20] Muring Apu: Tq & blessings. 😄 [02/07/2018, 02:14:54] Sinabu Lucy Bulan: Because of our lack of Kelabit vocab it is possible to use lalud for both authority and miracle. [02/07/2018, 02:24:47] Tingang Trang: This herb concoction/medication is powerful/strong /effective Galih tabat sinih? [02/07/2018, 03:18:48] Sinabu Lucy Bulan: 👍👍 Good one. [02/07/2018, 03:22:49] Tingang Trang: Bisa’ karuh Tuhan. Bisa’ sebayang/putuh iyeh neh. [02/07/2018, 04:47:32] ‪+60 19‑486 3880‬: Peru'an berumidang ngen tauh. Edteh men karuh suk .. tanu' ... ken na'em tidih mukjizat/miracle ‎[02/07/2018, 05:19:02] Esther Bala: ‎<attached: 00008906-PHOTO-2018-07-02-05-19-02.jpg> ‎[02/07/2018, 05:19:02] Esther Bala: ‎<attached: 00008907-PHOTO-2018-07-02-05-19-02.jpg> [02/07/2018, 11:35:32] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: To enrich our lingo, we can use two different words: bisa’ is good (a modern word commonly used). [02/07/2018, 11:37:50] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Tanu’ used by old folks for curse. The curse of God: tanu’ Tuhan - Kelabit Merriit leh. [02/07/2018, 11:40:17] Mutang Paturan: Not needsarily curse..tanu' is tanda/signs of things that happens/will happen. [02/07/2018, 11:40:31] Mutang Paturan: *necessarily* [02/07/2018, 11:45:48] ‪+60 17‑850 5551‬: Yes, agree! Common use of the vocabulary is sign (good or bad) [02/07/2018, 11:45:57] Tingang Trang: Tanu’ means a sign from God in different forms, usually an expression of righteous anger? It has have a positive connotation, depending on contexts? [02/07/2018, 11:47:00] Mutang Paturan: 👍🏻👏🏻 [02/07/2018, 11:47:12] Mutang Paturan: 👍🏻👏🏻 [02/07/2018, 12:50:10] Dato Robert Lian: Kapam Kinanids, Tanu’ adteh karuh/buriq nuk pelaba mebpat pedengeren narih keh. Kuh kuan kinanid EJU neh, kineh teh ilung dih lem karuh tauh lun pedayeh ngilad. Adteh etu Tuhan laq madaq tauh(ukum keh). Seh subang linuh🙏🙏👍👍😂😂👏👏🙏🙏 [02/07/2018, 13:21:35] Winnie Bulan: Tada' ....teh ken karuh anak kadi' nuk mudtih kinih terun [02/07/2018, 13:22:22] Winnie Bulan: The word made simole? [02/07/2018, 13:22:37] Winnie Bulan: Simole=simple [02/07/2018, 16:25:45] Lolly Raja @S'RajaDita: Signs and wonder = tanu’ mey lalud? [02/07/2018, 16:31:39] Roland Terawe: tanu' mey nuk inan mawa. [02/07/2018, 16:56:54] Muring Apu: Etu nuk inan mawa [02/07/2018, 17:07:52] Roland Terawe: tanu' mey nuk midih inan mawa. [02/07/2018, 17:09:12] Roland Terawe: tanu' mey nuk midih baliew inan mawa. [03/07/2018, 03:35:10] Gerawat Nulun: lf we say we want to preserve the Kelabit language for our younger generations (anak kadi'), why do we have to quote "ken karuh anak kadi' (adi') nuk mudtih kinih"? Please be more confident in your input/out. l do not mean to be rude; but do forgive me if the way l express my stand on our task of preserving our Kelabit language. [03/07/2018, 03:35:18] Gerawat Nulun: Gd mng all. My take on TANO' (l never heard it pronounced as TANU) is that it os a sign from God; and may even be a miracle! l present this position because it is a word we Kelabits came to know after the advent of Christianity into our community. Kelabots started using it as a new addition to our vocabulary, in the same way we adopted words like BUKUH, PEN, SKULEH, etc. lt is highly likely that it is originally a Lun Bawang word. [03/07/2018, 03:35:59] Gerawat Nulun: if the way l express my stand on our task of preserving our Kelabit language sounds crude. [03/07/2018, 03:38:32] Mutang Paturan: Sukung...get as close as possible to the Kelabit words/vocab unless we hust can't find any. We have already agreed on that before. [03/07/2018, 03:40:57] Mutang Paturan: I think it's tanu' as used heard by Pa Mada accent bro.